tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12341882.post113495038720742212..comments2024-01-10T08:42:45.216-05:00Comments on Gort42: Klink 2Gorthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18353409316468830796noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12341882.post-1135030816995189042005-12-19T17:20:00.000-05:002005-12-19T17:20:00.000-05:00Carl, not a bad point. However, specter faced tha...Carl, not a bad point. However, specter faced that GOP primary challenge that forced his hand. Casey isn't getting the same kind of credible challenge, and even though many on the left would like to think he was getting that challenge from Pennacchio, he really isn't. So Specter was forced to the right in a closed primary. My guess is that no D would get pushed to the right by an R. <BR/><BR/>Also, the point about GOP lite can be refuted by the victories of Gore, Rendell and Kerry. None of them could be considered Republican lite. Actually, I would like to put this out there. The GOP has actually won putting out Dem-light candidates. Ridge, pro-choice. Specter, pro-choice. Bill Scranton was a liberal republican (Sr., not Jr). My point is that winning PA is not about being conservative or liberal. It's about putting together the winning coalition that includes the most votes. Traditionally, that was not based on the conservative liberal continuum.LVDemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07359661408192860813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12341882.post-1135026615241969162005-12-19T16:10:00.000-05:002005-12-19T16:10:00.000-05:00But wouldn't the trouble Specter had in his primar...But wouldn't the trouble Specter had in his primary almost demand a GOP-lite candidate?<BR/><BR/>I'm not that familiar with Pennsy politics, basically I understand it as New York on one end, LA on the other and Alabama in between, but my recollection was Specter had to veer hard right to win his primary and only nudged a little towards the middle in the general.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03664920037425489644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12341882.post-1135025573537003732005-12-19T15:52:00.000-05:002005-12-19T15:52:00.000-05:00Again dr, give me some scenerio where Ricky wins. ...Again dr, give me some scenerio where Ricky wins. The last documented conservative to win PA was santorum 6 years ago and that was with a functional state GOP that had the sitting governor. Not a lot since then (I'll give you Corbett so that you have one). St. Torum is going to outspend Casey. At a minimum of 2:1, probably more. But, any incumbent who has to talk about spending 30 million dollars to win reelection is in a boat load of trouble, and it's not only b/c of outside dollars. When all is said and done, St. Torum will out raise Casey more than 3:1 in outside dollars. That's the number I remember from his race against Klink. Either way, the last time I heard of an incumbent spending the kind of cash St. Torum is looking to spend, Chuck Shumer became the senator from NY. But rest assured, 7:1 won't be the margin this time around. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and bush did lose PA. Just a reminder. Also, Bush was reelected with the smallest popular margin of any president since... Truman in 1948. That's a great record to hold. He does hold the record for the closest race in terms of a percentage, having won by 2.5%. But he does hold that most important factor for the GOP: money raised and spent (the record you probably mean is the record for total votes nationwide... using that logic Kerry beats Reagan in 1984... Kerry is the 2nd highest vote getter in history, ahead of Reagan in 80 and 84). I wouldn't waive Bushy around as a reason St. Torum will win. Not in this state. The Bush familiy is a whopping 1/4 in this state, and that one win came in 1988. I'd also like to say if you believed everything the polls said, you might understand that 59% of PA just doesn't like Bush and 43% of PA doesn't like St. Torum's job performance.<BR/><BR/>And I'd be careful about casting the "name fisher" label too far. Bush? Why does that name sound familiar...LVDemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07359661408192860813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12341882.post-1135022956058210582005-12-19T15:09:00.000-05:002005-12-19T15:09:00.000-05:00First of all I thought your R-VA comical. Next, Ca...First of all I thought your R-VA comical. <BR/><BR/>Next, Casey is a name fisher, and everyone knows it. Even he can't raise the money to fight off Santorum. <BR/><BR/>Lastly, Santorum will win,...I know it's difficult for many to grasp because they don't want him to, but he will.<BR/><BR/>If I beleived everything the polls said, Kerry would be President. Instead, a record victory for Bush. This is a TOP GOP GUY, they won't let him lose.Doctor Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08497153953682824602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12341882.post-1134960125939052492005-12-18T21:42:00.000-05:002005-12-18T21:42:00.000-05:00I have several points with which I take issue, but...I have several points with which I take issue, but I'll keep my comments confined to the first paragraph or two. First, Klink was not the insiders choice. The insiders choice was Tom Foley, the former labor secretary. The party actually didn't endorse that year. Also, Klink won b/c he was the only candidate from Western Pa. The others were from all other parts of the state, mostly the SE. Also, Schwartz was a seriously flawed candidate that year, failing to secure a lot of support from the Main Line Democrats while she and Foley bickered the entire time. Also, she would have lost in the general election b/c she has connections to an abortion clinic in the SE. Santorum would have beaten her with that issue for the entire summer and my guess is that it would have worked in some of the more conservative areas of the state, drawing out more voters that actually might have swayed the entire 2000 election in PA. <BR/><BR/>My other area of contention is this constant claim that pro-life/pro-gun folks are Republican-lite. I am both pro-life and pro-gun and hardly consider myself Republican-lite. In fact, I consider myself to be a part of the most progressive wing of our party. However, there seems to be this threshold that too many progressives put out there that pro-life/pro-gun and generally culturally conservative folks such as myself are not real Democrats. I don't think you want to see people such as myself be driven from the party because we disagree on legitimate moral grounds while agreeing on so many other grounds. I'm not saying that your contention with Casey is without merit or base, but I am saying to be careful, b/c so many folks like myself will not be so receptive to the rallying cries of "true Democrats."<BR/><BR/>Finally, Bob Casey isn't the only Dem do not have a clear position on the war in Iraq. Our party has about a dozen positions. In fact, Howard Dean just recently made a statement to the effect of such diversity in opinion is actually a good part of our party while the GOP is in lockstep with W. <BR/><BR/>All of that said, you will have the opportunity to choose in May. Just understand that my voting for Casey does not make me any less of a Democrat.LVDemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07359661408192860813noreply@blogger.com